when EVE gets competition from elite and star citizen and other sci fi games in development

Am I the only one around here who never noticed any problems with the code and optimisation of Incarna?

Seriously, not once. Not even on my really rather substandard laptop. I keep hearing about it but it seems to be from a vocal minority who were on the wrong end of a rare phenomen rather than an endemic flaw like with the whole boot.ini thing.

No one believes Eve will die with out WiS content. But WiS will bring MORE people in.

You are not the only one. I suffered no real issues. My system at the time was cutting edge. I didn't notice anything of mention until I read the forum complaints. All I saw was a bit more heat and thus a bit higher RPMs on my GPU fans.

But I think the forums alone revealed a large and wide issue impacting many people.

The funny thing about this is that you (and some others like you) talk about a future situation what could be bad for CCP while advocating they repeat something that was actually bad for them lol.

When ccp concentrates on the core focus of the game (spaceships), subs grow, and people keep playing. When they veered way from that and tried to "expand" and "monetize" the game, they almost lost it all.

I'm advocating for CCP to stay the tried and true, sensible course it's on: Keep EVE as EVE, do the things that kept CCP alive this long and ex[and slowly/smartly. Screw the things that don't or didn't work (WiS fits in to that).

I like horses, but that doesn't mean I think CCP should waste time on PiS (Ponies in Stations).




Of course you know that discussion is academic, CCP has said no WiS stuff anytime soon and i agree with them. I'm just pointing out how incredibly irrational the WiS fringe is. i simply think yall are playing the wrong game. Go play Star Trek and Beam down all you want.

That makes no sense. It's like saying "I shot my self in the foot, but it healed so now I can shoot my other foot".

Then you don't understand what I'm saying. No one is saying stop innovating., By all means, innovate new things that have to do with spaceshisp.

name one good reason, why CCP should waste time on something like that?

If you want to "mingle" you can undock and orbit their spaceship with your space ship while talking to them in local or over EVE-voice/teamspeak etc etc. How can you need to be looking at a man shaped mountain of pixels to "mingle"?

Fixed. reminded me of a discussion I had in a PoliSci class 20 years ago.



Already did, didn't you see my post.

All joking aside, i simply think what some of you want is unrealistic, not in keeping with what EVE is and too "pie in the sky" for my tastes. I don't care one way or another for WiS, but I agree with CCP not wasting time on it.

I'm calling it like I see it.

I'm not the one complaining about how CCP won't give me my space barbies, that would be you guys.

You cherry picked a single point and didn't touch the others. But don't worry, here I post them again:

Reasons from 2011 and still true in 2013:

- provide a immersive New Player Experience
- improve player attachment to the game
- optimize and exploit the resources spent in developing WoD
- gain female players
- enable vanity microtransactions
- expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche

Reasons specific to 2013:

- attract new players
- compete against a new generation of "classic" space games featuring avatars
- expand beyond its stagnant niche

It's also slightly CCP fault for creating these great trailers that boost expectations. It's like you ordered Adobe Ultimate Edition and you get MS Excel instead...

Rubicon is really taking the sht with new buyers, as it's plugging these big images of the avatars in their promotional activities. If this game is so much about spaceships, why promote these at all?

To be really honest, I support the fact that CCP focused back on spaceships, because clearly theres still so much to do in that regard (and I would welcome some helpful changes to UI which is used to invent and produce said spaceships and their gear).

Now about WiS. I'm well after the let down Incarna has caused. I have accepted it and support CCP in the direction they've chosen for the game. Acceptance means I'm not using the feature right now, except to take an occassional screenshot or two for my blog posts.

Why I'm not using WiS? Not because it's badly implemented, or the graphics is poor. I'm not using it but because it doesn't offer anything meaningful for the technical cost of having it enabled (noticeably longer loading times). Even allowing us to watch Twitch streams on the monitors in the CQ would make me want to use the avatar mode now and then. But in it's current state, it could as well be disabled in the client, to reduce the hard disk footprint of the game.

Question to CCP is: are there ANY, even LONG TERM plans to do anything about the "red button"? Plans to expand the environment available to avatars and maybe room for some meaningful gameplay? I remember that EVA exploration that was supposed to be a source of player made implants, and now ghost sites do exactly that, so it seems that idea has died already.

I have seen many ideas to make it more meaningful, that wouldn't swamp entire CCP studio with avatar related features for a year or so (examples: allowing ppl to collect trophies, customize their CQ or watch Twitch streams on the monitors, designing bigger levels to walk around. Allowing ppl to walk faster would also be welcome).

I mean, if there are no plans at all to do anything about WiS, it could as well be removed from the game entirely. It serves no purpose and wastes disk space.